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Post Posted: Jun 14, 2018 7:54 am 
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Post Posted: Jun 14, 2018 8:07 am 
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For those wondering about Gary Rhoads termination from the Colorado State Patrol, here is a link to the termination / resignation file. Read and make your own judgement. https://garyrhodestermination.blogspot.com/

If you don't believe this copy, go down to the Colorado State Patrol and get your own for $5.00


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I don't see anything more in the document than CYA by the state. There could be more, but the document doesn't support such claims.

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Post Posted: Jun 14, 2018 9:29 am 
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Please understand that I had no intention of becoming involved in any of this. However, like in the situation with Spodyak's DUI record, when I began this thread I took on the obligation to do what I could to prevent others hijacking the thread to disseminate unsubstantiated rumor and innuendo.
Have you or keepthechange even read the document to which you have provided a link? Rhoads has stated to me that he entered into a legal settlement agreement with CSP to cease his State Personnel Board action and put the matter to rest, in exchange for cessation of adverse personnel action against him and restoration of his actual record of employment. Rhoads told me that after years of faithful and exemplary CSP service, he was completely disillusioned by the way he was treated and wanted to put an end to the impact this was having on him and his family.
Rhoads told me that in consenting to enter into the settlement, he agreed to drop his Personnel Board action and agree that he would not go forward with lawsuit or other cause of action against CSP or other State entity. He told me that he was to be paid for all due leave and other compensation owed him. He also told me that the agreement included additional compensation as inducement to secure his agreement to enter into the legal settlement and release CSP and the State from claim of liability.
When Rhoads had told me all of this, while nothing in my personal inquiry had indicated anything different, having not had access to the settlement documentation, I was forced to accept Rhoads' account regarding certain details.
Here is what I get from the settlement agreement document. Rhoads was confronted with the termination action. He filed an appeal with the Personnel Board. State authorities decided to negotiate a legal settlement agreement with Rhoads that rescinded the termination action and paid Rhoads additional unearned compensation, while also securing Rhoads' legally binding agreement to not pursue lawsuit or other cause of action against CSP or other State entity.

Am I missing anything?


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Post Posted: Jun 14, 2018 9:50 am 
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keepthechange wrote:
Well, the flaws in most of the other candidates are obvious and well recognized. Any questions about Rhoads is treated as sacrilege and an attack on the Chosen One.

The overly enthusiastic Rhoads supporters are drowning out any and all questions about his credibility. This opened my "suspicious mind". I'm concerned about the character of a candidate who has supporters who attack anyone who raises what they believe to be legitimate issues when integrity and transparency is part of the platform.

I'm not inclined to call him directly because if it's not on paper (or posted), it didn't happen.
From the start there has been too much smoke blown on his history that doesn't jibe with what's known.

I can't buy the coroner job as being his dream job. Now he wants to be the chief LEO in ParkCo when it's obvious no law enforcement agency would hire him in 2010.

He has gathered a rabid crowd of very vocal supporters, much similar to Michael Graves' supporters eight years ago. Not distancing himself from the tin foil hat crowd (election tampering; vague references to a "good old boy club" whatever is meant by that; "systemic dysfunction" and so on) is to his detriment. I don't believe the party line to be the whole truth, and that's all I'm trying to get.

Regarding the release of the CSP document-someone (not me) made a CORA request.


I am curious keepthechange what the difference is in the behavior you are describing in your post and the behavior that is being exhibited by a handful of people here including you in regards to Mr Rhoads?
Could you explain the difference please.
What I have seen is good people defending a good man against a very ugly campaign to turn a
document into something it is not.
What I also find is even more disturbing is the key players in this are people who are working directly with the McGraw campaign. These people have solicited signatures for his petition to run. They attend all of his Meet and Greets and debates and sit as a group. They have filed CORA requests. Is this the kind of campaigning we want up here?
I have not seen this kind of activity from any "local" candidate to their credit. Perhaps now, we are truly beginning to understand the importance of electing someone with deep roots here, as they understand the pain and anguish a community has endured.
This community has seen enough of destroyed lives.
We have circled our wagons and stood with each other in the best and worst of times. We are #BaileyStrong and we are #ParkCountyStrong.
We should not let outside influences or those who seek to destroy an individual in the name of a campaign change who we are as a community.
We do not destroy peoples lives here.
This should not stand as the norm in this County.
Thank you for your time.


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I'm wondering NobamaMama why the receipt from the Colorado State Patrol for copies of the Termination / Resignation of Gary Rhoads is so important?


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Wife and I got a laugh about this thinking of when the kids were young. So, moderators had to put a poster in time out. Please consider the fact that with this thread having more than 40,000 views, our behavior has broader consequences, and what you post may not reflect well on your candidate.


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Amazing
48 pages of incomprensible opinions, rhetoric, mud slinging,
obliviously some uninformed expert posts by self appointed
research experts that are so lengthy and rambling I can't
imagine anyone taking the time to actually read them to
the end, and then, a time out.............

So for my part, sorting out what best I can in all the noise,
and considering all the mystery of what actually happened
to Nate Carrigan, I have concluded that I will first - dismiss
any candidate that is currently associated with the department,
and consider the rest.

Fair? - well maybe not, but "what's a girl to do.......

So how do I do that?
Roadside signs have always fascinated me. I cannot fathom anyone
basing a decision on who to vote for on roadside signs stuck
all over the place so, that one is out.........

Mailers:
Except for the fact that some have pictures so you can see
what a person looks like, I am not sure how effective they
really are, but I do read them, and consider the professionalism,
eliminate any candidate with any with negative comments about
an opponent, and if I still am interested, spend some time
digging deeper everywhere else possible

And as for the pictures, if I get some bad vibes, fair or not-
Well so be it, because for me, this does count

As our current national political divide so demonstrates
(basically 45% / 45% / and 10%) there is no one correct
candidate, (and there will never be) for everyone, and
going on a public forum to figure it out will likely leave
you with biased information. In the case of Park County,
something like 60% conservative and 40% liberal so be careful
how you consider this information if you are not comfortable
with these ratios

Politics - and yes even an election of our sheriff is
political - is a big factor in all elections and I will
be the first to admit, that I will absolutely vote for
the candidate that will state that he or her represents
my party of choice no matter if he or she has or does
not have, gobs of unsightly or amateurish signs, is mud ugly,
has more skeletons in the closet than anyone else,
or doesn't drive a Jeep

I can't wait to see the response to this! .................

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dogger wrote:
Politics - and yes even an election of our sheriff is
political - is a big factor in all elections and I will
be the first to admit, that I will absolutely vote for
the candidate that will state that he or her represents
my party of choice no matter if he or she has or does
not have, gobs of unsightly or amateurish signs, is mud ugly,
has more skeletons in the closet than anyone else,
or doesn't drive a Jeep

I want a sheriff that represents and protects the laws of the land (no matter who enacted the laws), and not a political party. The less political a sheriff is, the better to me.
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48 pages of incomprensible opinions, rhetoric, mud slinging, ...

Knowing nothing about Rhoads other than what he has had to say in this forum, my sense about the back-and-forth discussion here is that the Rhoads supporters have had the more reasoned arguments and the detractors have resorted to arguments that seem to approach invective. I know which "side" I tend to put my belief in.

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dogger,
While I believe it is important to have a diversity of thought and opinion presented (and I suspect you intended your statements to be taken as humor), all I can say, with my own semi-humorous observation, is that I suspect what you wrote would not be consistent with the founding fathers' concept of an engaged and informed citizen voter. Whatever your intent, you certainly provided needed humor to an otherwise sometimes too serious matter.


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Keg, you should know more about Rhoades, how about from his former employer - https://garyrhodestermination.blogspot.com/


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