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Post Posted: Jun 19, 2018 3:21 pm 
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Once again you keep saying "Mr. Rhoads was given an alternative to quit coaching or work for the State Patrol". Why? The CSP can't tell Gary what to do on HIS Free Time unless coaching was interfering with his Patrol Job. And that would be coaching on Patrol time.


I am glad you are beginning to see the problem.


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Scalawagy, I have to admit one thing. Your posts might indeed be well-reasoned and contain some good points, but I cannot make myself get all the way through them because you PERSIST in spelling Gary Rhoads' name incorrectly. Most posters in this thread are spelling it correctly, but seemingly without fail you insist on spelling it "Rhodes". Maybe I am overreacting, but given this persistence on your part I cannot seem to help but attribute this to some sort of strange perverseness on your part. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.


please believe me, it's not willful, but I'm certainly, disposed to go counter to what is expected or desired, when it comes to spelling! Thanks for pointing out my chronic error, I"ll try to correct that.
And my humble apologizes to Mr. Rhoads, no disrespect was intended.

Keg, you would probably cringe, at some of the suggestions, I get from the spell checker!


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Dan Harris just curious, if pay so low why did you stay so long? Thank you for your question Dan. Next to Sheriff Wegener, I have been with the PCSO the longest. We made the decision in 1996 to make Park County our home and at that time, we committed to being an involved part of this community. Out of the three law enforcement agencies I have worked with (Los Angeles Police Dept., Bellevue Police Dept. and Park County Sheriff’s Office), Park County was the one, I personally felt, where I could make a difference. My training was exceptional in the larger cities however, Park County was our home and the citizens were our neighbors. Our three kids were very involved at school, church and extracurricular sports which meant that Lisa and I were also. I was fortunate to have had jobs that paid well with Los Angeles and Bellevue, which helped us when we made the move to Colorado. We were fortunate that my wife found a great job in the Front Range area which allowed me to stay here in Park County which was our desire, as our kids were in the schools in Park County. The new Deputies that we are hiring now (some who are just starting out in their careers) do not have this luxury. They do not have the ability to survive here and when you have a family, although you may not want to, you will make changes in order to support them.

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3.90%
2018 Park County sales tax
Exact tax amount may vary for different items
Tax Jurisdiction Sales Tax
Colorado State Sales Tax 2.90%
Park County Sales Tax 1.00%
City Sales Tax N/A
Special Sales Tax N/A
Combined Sales Tax 3.90% [Is this data incorrect?]

Download all Colorado sales tax rates by zip code
The Park County, Colorado sales tax is 3.90% , consisting of 2.90% Colorado state sales tax and 1.00% Park County local sales taxes.The local sales tax consists of a 1.00% county sales tax.
 The Park County Sales Tax is collected by the merchant on all qualifying sales made within Park County
 Groceries are exempt from the Park County and Colorado state sales taxes
 Park County collects a 1% local sales tax, less than
the 4.2% max local sales tax allowed under Colorado law
 Park County has a lower sales tax than 86.5% of Colorado's other cities and counties


Ron N Connie Hall There you go again with raising taxes. Do you realize Park County has the highest tax base (when you figure in all the state taxes) in Colorado. And we in Park County will be paying it year round. A lot of us are on fixed incomes.

Ron N Connie Hall- First, allow me to say thank you for the time you spent in public service. Secondly, I was more than a little confused at your comment that “Park County has the highest tax base…” As you can see, Park County has a lower sales tax than 86.5% of other cities and counties in Colorado. I just wanted to clarify that information for you as well as others who may be just as confused by your comment.

Most people I know are on a fixed income and strive to remain within a budget. It is for this exact reason that I am NOT a proponent for an increase in property taxes, which, like it or not, we are all required to pay. You have a choice of not making a purchase in Park County but my experience is that if you do not make the purchase in Park County, you will make it in Jefferson County or a surrounding county and, most likely, will pay more. This certainly doesn’t benefit the individual or Park County which is why I try to spend my dollars in Park County whenever I can. The money that can be attained with a 1% sales tax would be used to hire, retain and train quality individuals for the Park County Sheriff’s Office. This is a win, win situation for all of us who live in Park County.
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John Tighe, Candidate for Park County Sheriff


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Mr.Tighe, For this sales tax proposal to work the way you intend, Wouldn't there also need to be wording in the ballot measure that stipulates that the amount of funding the Sheriff's dept. gets from the county general fund must remain unchanged? I suspect the formula would be a percentage of the total county revenue.
Wouldn't this turn the Sheriff's dept. into a totally independent entity? free to act with no relevant oversight from, or accountability to, the county Commissioners? I know you're suggesting a citizen review board to approve, or over see, spending. But they would have no statutory mandate to consider other county needs outside the sheriff's dept.


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Why not an ordinance mandating salaries commensurate with the average of a number of surrounding counties.

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Why not an ordinance mandating salaries commensurate with the average of a number of surrounding counties.


It's a feel good idea, with no added source of revenue to support it, the result would would be a smaller work force.


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Obviously there would need to be more revenue.

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First things first, you don't start throwing money at something till you analyze ROI (Return on Investments). Understand all expenses and seek alternatives if possible. Compare to other "successful organizations" and adopt those proven processes. Think outside the BOX. I'll bet there is much waste that has not been realized and could be transferred to higher wages. We just need a different set of eyes.


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craigc473, I was just composing a similar question.

Mr. Tighe, you have a unique experience in that you work in the Sheriff's dept. and have been a commissioner.

Can you identify areas of waste in the department, where any significant amount of money could be saved?
Do you think there other areas in the county budget that could be cut or trimmed, Could the Commissioners be convinced to allocate more funds to the Sheriff's dept.?

To other posters. Are you convinced the Sheriff's dept needs more money? Should we pay the deputies more? Do we really need more deputies?
Do you have any ideas about where the funds should come from?


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Scalawagy,
Those are pertinent questions. It is important to understand some things when considering law enforcement agency retention and compensation matters.

There are significant relevant differences beween law enforcement agencies that must be taken into account when considering factors impacting officer satisfaction and retention.
Let me provide some insight into the kind of officers who perform frontline Patrol duties. Here is where the differences in working conditions encountered in different agencies has impact. Officers working Patrol in larger Metro agencies have to become very able and competent quickly if they are to survive and continue functioning in that environment. They are constantly forced to succeed in a working environment that entails 90% boredom that will shift immediately and unexpectedly to one of intense adrenaline rush. This is why Park County has been fortunate to have someone like John Tighe. Most effective Patrol officers I have worked with would never be able to willingly transition from an LAPD like environment to that experienced in Park County. Those having worked in a fast paced and challenging LAPD type environment that I worked with, were either involuntarily retired due to serious duty related injury, or had been separated due to performance issues.
The point here is that officers who are good at working Patrol are typically adrenaline junkies, constantly seeking the excitement and challenge associated with being tasked as a first responder to incidents of violence and potential to play a personal role in protecting others and possibly saving lives.

Working Patrol or Investigations in a major urban Metro law enforcement agency is much different than working these assignments in a Sheriff Department like ours. The demands on a Patrol Deputy here are significantly different. When I worked Patrol for a Metro Department, I would often be assigned ten or more calls each shift. Many of the calls I responded to required completion of reports, and sometimes also required some form of follow up action. Often, interspersed would be calls to provide cover for other officers and other forms of assistance.

The situation for Investigators working for Metro agencies is , in some sense, even worse. Those Investigators are faced with heavy case loads, interactions with prosecutors, court appearances, and other related demands. Along with this comes great stress.
Then there is another complicating factor. When incidents such as the Long homicide arise, while not anywhere as frequent as in the urban Metro jurisdictions, Sheriff Departments like ours are required to allocate the same level of resources with similar quality of response.

When I was asked to perform Patrol duties for our Department, I was in a much different place than in the prior years having served as Patrol officer, Patrol Supervisor, Detective, and Command officer. The demands associated with working Patrol here brought much less stress, and ability to actually find a kind of enjoyment often missed in the intense environment of work in urban Metro jurisdictions. I could not have been satisfied working as a Park County Patrol Deputy in my youth, seeking the fast paced environment and the adrenaline rush. But, it was perfect here for me later in life.


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Thanks, Guyotguy for the interesting perspective.
It leaves me wondering, If we could/should be actively recruiting retired candidates for patrol officers.
People who have 20+ years served, and a pension they can count on. People that are ready to leave some of the stress behind. Perhaps the money, that is called "wasted", in training a young officer, could be offered as a signing bonus or paid as a bonus after x number of years of service, perhaps some other incentive such as waived property taxes?

I am totally ignorant, as to how the dept. recruits, maybe Florida, Arizona or other more desirable locations already have this market cornered. But perhaps efforts in this direction would not be wasted.


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