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 Post subject: Re: King's Valley and 285 Intersection Traffic Concern Meeti
Post Posted: Nov 18, 2016 10:51 am 
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Information provided by our Elk Creek Fire chief.......

CDOT attended the Conifer Town Hall meeting last evening to discuss options for the 285/Kings Valley interchange.

In 2004, the entire 285 corridor from Foxton to Highway 126 was approved for massive redisn and improvement. Since then, Foxton, Richmond Hill and Shaffer's Crossing have been improved from the old 2 lane highway. Starting in the recession of 2008, funding has not been available to complete the entire project. The remainder stands at $220 million.


CDOT has however prioritized Kings Valley due to the number of accidents and severity of accidents. Installing the overpass and widening 285 Southbound from Richmond Hill to Kings Valley is estimated at $55 million. While CDOT does not have the funding for that, it looks likely that a smaller interim project may go through. That project would install a single lane underpass either North or South of the current intersection for left turning traffic from Kings Valley to go under, then merge onto the Northbound side. That would obviously reduce the number of serious accidents at that intersection.

As we learn more, I'll pass it along.

In other news related to that, the US Forest Service will be moving their Ranger District office from Goddard Ranch into the Kings Valley Center.

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Thank you for the informative update!


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This is at least some good news. No mention of any traffic lights!


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Sunset, look at the first Thursday post by salty in the Town Hall thread in the Community Events and Activities forum. In his/her description of the three alternatives presented by Steve Harelson at that meeting, two of those alternatives appear to involve a traffic light (I am assuming the "Florida T" alternative involves a light). Now, it is true that he indicated a preference for the underpass alternative, which does not involve a light. But some sort of light still appears to be on the table.

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Did they discuss having NO LEFT TURN onto 285 from Kings Valley or from 285 into Kings Valley?

Instead only allow right turns and go to the true overpass/underpass either up the hill or down the hill.

Problem solved without any necessary new overpass or underpass. Keep it simple until the funds become available!


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Did they discuss having NO LEFT TURN onto 285 from Kings Valley or from 285 into Kings Valley?

Instead only allow right turns and go to the true overpass/underpass either up the hill or down the hill.

Problem solved without any necessary new overpass or underpass. Keep it simple until the funds become available!

Obviously that is a solution but a very bad one because the overpasses are too far away. For example, if you tried to ban left turns from Kings Valley to Northbound 285 then you would have to people trying to turn left from even MORE dangerous places (Like Callae or the Mountain Center rather than the preferred Shaffers Crossing. An underpass or overpass is the only viable solution. After that is built - THEN it would make sense to ban left turns anywhere in that stretch between Shaffers and Richmond hill because now there would be 3 places to enter/exit instead of just 2.


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CDOT will present an update on intersection options for King's Valley Drive and Hwy. 285 at the Conifer Area Council Town Hall meeting, 7 p.m. Wednesday, Feb. 15 at West Jefferson Middle School. The large turnout last time had a great impact. Let's get a good turnout this meeting too! Hope to see you there.


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Good news: Last night at the Town Hall Meeting, CDOT announced it has obtained funding to hire a consultant to develop design options for the intersection of Hwy. 285 and Kings Valley Drive. The consultant should be on board in the next 6 to 8 weeks. The two options proposed last night were an underpass about ¼ mile south of the current intersection and an overpass about 1000 feet north of the current intersection. Both of these options appeal to the state because they are in existing right-of-way, which would expedite construction. The design consultant might well come up with additional options. While there is funding for the design, CDOT will not seek funding for actual construction until a design is chosen. We will have the opportunity to give additional input along the way. Progress!!


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Another consultant to develop design options??? What is that? Just build the overpass and underpass and get it over with :)


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SXM_Beach wrote:
Another consultant to develop design options??? What is that? Just build the overpass and underpass and get it over with :)



The way CDOT has been screwing up things for the last couple years I think having some consultants is a great idea.

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I've been up here for 20 years now. From what I recall, the northbound traffic turning left into Kings Valley isn't really the issue. They have a clear view of traffic coming out and of southbound traffic, and as long as they judge their timing correctly and have patience, there isn't a problem. It seems most of the incidents are people coming out of KV that don't always have a clear view of the southbound traffic because of vehicles in the southbound exit lane. My incident involved a large contractor's pickup in the exit lane while I was southbound. I could see the back end of a Mini Cooper at the stop sign. Sure enough, he saw the pickup turning in and pulled out right in front of me. If the southbound exit lane left the main roadway much earlier and cut over to the frontage road, then drivers leaving KV would have a much clearer view of the southbound lanes. That doesn't solve the "patience" problem, but is very cost effective and would probably eliminate 80% or better of the accidents.

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It seems most of the incidents are people coming out of KV that don't always have a clear view of the southbound traffic because of vehicles in the southbound exit lane. ... If the southbound exit lane left the main roadway much earlier and cut over to the frontage road, then drivers leaving KV would have a much clearer view of the southbound lanes. That doesn't solve the "patience" problem, but is very cost effective and would probably eliminate 80% or better of the accidents.

That would be a most excellent suggestion, if there was some truly idiot-proof method of preventing right turns into KV by southbound drivers. My concern would be that, if you eliminate the right-turn lane there, you would have some of those aforementioned idiots who would insist on slowing down in the main southbound lane and turning right at the T intersection.

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