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 Post subject: Re: Park Sheriff election
Post Posted: Feb 7, 2018 5:36 pm 
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:rof laughing: :rof laughing: :rof laughing: :rof laughing:
Wait a second, You're serious?? :shocked: :shocked:

Your point???

My point is that this individual believes that he is the "right choice" for the job.

I find this humorous.

IMO (take that for what it's worth), There probably couldn't be a worse choice for the job.

There is a lot of time between now and the election. Lots of info to be discovered about ALL of the candidates. Things will become clearer as we move forward.

Just sayin'.....


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Post Posted: Feb 7, 2018 6:07 pm 
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Here you go bohemian59.

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Post Posted: Feb 7, 2018 7:25 pm 
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Could it be that the FBI representative did not show up and they had to have somebody delivering pizza stand in?


Hold on a minute-you mean the FBI SAC isn't one of your oft-referred to law enforcement sources? Not on your speed dial?
I'm certain he'd be so interested in your deep and insightful investigatory observations from whatching the news reports.
They'd be right up there with your note on solving a homicde in "The First 48" just like shown on TV!

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Post Posted: Feb 7, 2018 8:28 pm 
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bohemian59 wrote:
My point is that this individual believes that he is the "right choice" for the job.

I find this humorous.

IMO (take that for what it's worth), There probably couldn't be a worse choice for the job.

There is a lot of time between now and the election. Lots of info to be discovered about ALL of the candidates. Things will become clearer as we move forward.

Just sayin'.....

I see nothing of substance in either of your posts, just generic snipes with no attempt at proof. I know next to nothing about Rhoads ... and after reading your posts, I still don't.

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Post Posted: Feb 8, 2018 6:49 am 
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Could it be that the FBI representative did not show up and they had to have somebody delivering pizza stand in? Watching that guy was beyond painful. Hard to be!ieve anyone could put out so much useless garbage. The entire press briefing was painful to watch. Does anyone involved actually have a clue?


Don't forget folks, these are the people whom we are told constantly we should place our faith and trust in for all matters regarding our personal safety and security. :rof laughing: The collective would fail a Rorschach Test.

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Post Posted: Feb 8, 2018 9:05 am 
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keepthechange,
Your escalating pattern of personal attack and associated anger and hostility is somewhat troubling.
Let me explain the basis for my semi-humorous comment regarding the FBI representative statements. I found the representative’s comments, like other aspects of the press update, to be rather bizarre in context.
Requesting that members of a community impacted by a criminal incident be especially aware for behaviors and actions that are particularly unusual and significant can often be viewed as reasonable and potentially helpful to the related investigation. However, it is difficult to see how what the FBI representative detailed is helpful. Requesting community members be on alert for individuals having cut their hair, changed hair color, made changes to facial hair, or having appeared to act differently, would have the community looking for such vague behaviors that would likely serve no constructive purpose in the investigative process. What this could do is sow seeds of mistrust and unreasonable suspicion in a community already struggling to come to terms with a deeply troubling criminal incident.
A more reasonably focused appeal for community awareness might have been appropriately initiated if done immediately after the incident, when the offender, or offenders, were possibly still in the community. Taking such action more than two months after a criminal incident is likely to be of little value to the investigation.
Making these and other statements in the course of the press update would appear to indicate an investigation going nowhere and an aspect of investigator frustration and desperation.
The aspect that has been cited most by those having posted on the related Pinecam forums has to deal with the Sheriff’s statements relating to the question of whether there was any threat to the community associated with the incident. There seems to be a clearly mixed message presented. With there having been an appeal made for community awareness to provide assistance in identifying an offender, or offenders, and considering violent aspects of the crime, it is hard to understand how law enforcement officials could have assured the affected community that there has never been any measure of threat associated with the possible presence of extremely violent individuals within the community.


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Post Posted: Feb 8, 2018 12:54 pm 
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Okay, what I am hearing is that the Long investigation press briefing provided everyone a harsh, but needed, dose of reality. Many now find need to pause and take a break. I can understand that it may be difficult to feel warm and fuzzy about the Sheriff election. That is a good thing. A very good thing. I have been troubled by those who are so comfortable having already selected a candidate. Based on what? My hope when starting this forum was that it might serve to ensure that the Sheriff election did not become merely a beauty contest. My further hope was that potential voters would exercise a critical requirement and responsibility of citizenship and do the hard work of becoming sufficiently involved to cast an informed vote. I had hoped that we could engage in a reasoned discussion of candidates in which we might come together to consider relevant characteristics of candidates and make a sincere attempt to ascertain why a candidate, having not previously demonstrated successful experience in a capacity evidencing skills and abilities to effectively serve as our Sheriff, is deserving of voter support. My hope was that those having formed a preference for an individual candidate could provide information about what factors convinced them that candidate could serve in a manner that warranted public confidence and trust.
Maggie Long’s family, and the families of other young women in our community, deserve a Sheriff capable of leading a Department that can elicit reasonable confidence and recruit and retain effective and experienced Deputies and Investigators.
If you have formed a decision that your candidate possesses the attributes and abilities to enable him to be an effective Sheriff, please share fundamental aspects of how exactly you were able to come to this conclusion without benefit of debate between candidates. I, for one, would welcome having benefit of hearing your position as I struggle to form my own preference.


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Post Posted: Feb 9, 2018 9:50 am 
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Post Posted: Feb 9, 2018 10:57 am 
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There are things about the Long incident that just don’t seem to make sense. What we are told is that a person, or persons, made entry into the Long residence while two people were on the premises. A person, or persons, killed Maggie Long and removed a number of items, having set fire to the residence before leaving. We are told that a tenant living upstairs from the location where Maggie was killed, and where items were removed, placed a 911 call to report that he could hear a loud disturbance occurring below his location.
A listing of items known to have been removed was provided in the course of the press update.
There is something about what we have learned from information provided that raises many unanswered questions and just doesn’t appear to be logical. One has to assume that the upstairs tenant provided some relevant information to responding officers and investigators. We have been told that there was information about a male subject and a light colored van. If what we have been told is accurate, the person, or persons, involved in the criminal episode had no concern for being discrete, having created a loud disturbance, with no apparent regard for attracting unnecessary attention.
Typically, such behavior would indicate a disorganized offender. The disorganized offender is typically characterized as having engaged in prior criminal activity, and someone who would have come into prior contact with law enforcement. The extreme nature of this criminal incident would indicate that they would offend again.
Adding to the curious nature of this incident is the items know taken. In an episode like this, one would have expected the offender, or offenders, to have been seeking either substantial cash, items of significant value, or a substantial quantity of drugs. Only a disturbed offender, fixated on Maggie as the focus of interest, would have abandoned reasonable caution in deciding on entry into the residence, if there was nothing else of substantial and significant value to justify such risk.
Information was provided during the press briefing to indicate that Deputies arrived at the Long residence within minutes of the tenant 911 call. This would not appear to make sense. If the tenant did place the call and tell dispatch that there was a loud disturbance then occurring below him, and someone starting the fire, could Deputies having arrived at the residence within a few minutes, have missed contacting the offender, or offenders, or observed them fleeing the location?
Everything about this incident suggests that the offender, or offenders, were either extremely lucky, or that there is something about the tenant’s account and reporting that is inconsistent.
There is something just not right about all of this, and it is very likely that this will come out in the course of the investigative process.


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Post Posted: Feb 9, 2018 11:05 am 
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Could you provide something more about what you were thinking with that comment? While it is really difficult to usually read anything meaningful in many of your posts, you come across as dismissive of the thoughts of others, and as being better informed. If you have information that would help me and others to have better understanding, it would contribute greatly to this forum. Some have told me it would be a waste of time to pay much attention to what you sometimes post, but I do not feel comfortable in viewing you as background noise if you can contribute to the needed community discourse.


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A disorganized previous offender is not typical. Practice makes perfect. Remember I was a prison teacher for 13 of 37 years. I've heard them comment about mistakes early in their careers and how they learned from them.

Some of the behaviors you list describe people who are excited by their actions or numbed by drugs.

Maggie could have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The timing issue would be much clearer if actual timing was given. A perpetrator driving casually to avoid notice or driving in the opposite direction could cover a fair distance in just 5 minutes. A deputy expecting a domestic disturbance call or rushing to a scene might not be watchng opposing traffic.

It's true that there's something not right about the situation, but you should have remembered that sometimes information should be withheld during investigations.

Your comments are clearly designed to cast yourself in a completely positive light while casting current officers in a negative light.

How's that for a better understanding?

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