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 Post subject: Re: ELID - 22% Higher Sales Tax in Evergreen
Post Posted: May 20, 2018 1:54 pm 
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I've read through your entire website, and did not see where DEED addressed our questions. And I'm not sure where you think what I said is inaccurate. I have also stated the same thing as you, that DEED intends to come back and ask for more money in each election.

Instead of pointing me to your website, lets have the discussion right here in the sunshine, where everyone can follow along. And if Pinecam shuts down the discussion we can go to another Evergreen area website and continue. Will you do that in the name of transparency?

As you well know, all the publicity about ELID is from your side, even the Canyon Courier has run several positive articles about ELID. There is almost no coverage of the opposing views.

We may not have a city, but Jefferson County IS our government. They collect taxes from us for infrastructure improvements and maintenance. And I agree that we have been neglected in recent years. But we can change that. It seems that DEED will not even try to get Jefferson County to work with Evergreen, and Jeffco has reached out to us. My point is that this tax that DEED seeks is not necessary in the first place.

Evergreen has higher property values than the average in Jefferson County. They have been collecting Evergreen's share of money for many years. The key to solving our infrastructure issues is to come together as a community and pressure Jefferson County to spent Evergreen Tax money.... IN Evergreen.

Jefferson County HAS the money, OUR money. An ELID would be like paying twice for these services.

The size of Jefferson County Government in 2017 was 564 million dollars! That's right, over half a Billion dollars. In 2017, Jefferson County spent 37 million on Capital projects and improvements. Of that 37 million, 29.2 million dollars was spent on infrastructure. If Evergreen could just get 1 / 29th of that money (3.4%) or one million a year, this would bring more money to Evergreen than the ELID will. It would be far more productive for the Evergreen Community to work getting Evergreen's share of OUR tax money, than to TAX ourselves (a small area) with ELID.

As an example- Jefferson County spent more on libraries in 2017 (37.83 Million) than it did on infrastructure (29.2 Million). In 2017, Salaries and Benefits for Jefferson County staff were 242 Million Dollars!

Jefferson County had many infrastructure projects under construction 2017, and more planned for 2018.
The list includes Bicycle lanes and Walking Trails, Underpasses, Sidewalk Projects, Curb and Gutter, Roundabouts and Roads, Relocation of Xcel's transmission line and other utilities, Parking lots ETC...

The same types of projects that DEED claims ELID would be used for!

Can you address this so we can understand what DEED is thinking?

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Post Posted: May 20, 2018 4:36 pm 
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Ok, just read thru that website. Haven't really paid much attention to this elid deal, since we (and thousands of locals) live just outside the boundaries and I assumed it was just another "downtown improvement" thing. We tend not to do anything in downtown since it's become a tourist spot. We do fish at the lake, on weekdays, before the paddle boards take over, but that's not a big issue since the trout bite better before sunrise.

One thing I would support would be a sidewalk from the library to downtown, seems the only place that you can see actual pedestrians in the street on daily basis. Once to downtown/lake trail you can get all the way to Bergen Park on a sidewalk.

On page 39 of the lakehouse presentation, it says it will never end. -

https://greaterdeed.files.wordpress.com ... 060617.pdf

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SO because I live on Brook Forest road, I have no vote in this matter? I already do the 285-Denver commute instead of driving across Evergreen to i70 most days, since there are stop lights and so many bad drivers on the Evergreen side....

I've lived here 20 years now and see no need to make this a "town" or "city". My 3 cents.

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Yep gsellers.

ELID will live forever. Yes, because you are up on Brook Forrest- you do not get a vote. Most of evergreen does not get a vote. The proposed boundary targets businesses.

DEED does have a project on the schedule for a sidewalk between buffalo park road (library) on down to downtown.

What the county came up with was this. Jeffco rough 50,000 foot estimate was construction would be at least 1.57 million dollars- probably much more. But Jeffco says that just the land acquisition costs alone for that project would be 6 million dollars, maybe more.
They would have to condemn private property to put in the sidewalk, and move cub creek.

Just that one project alone would eat up the entire ELID 15 year budget.

That's why it never got done and probably never will. We can't do projects like that with ELID- we need our Jefferson County money for stuff like that.


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BearMtnHIB wrote:
Yep gsellers.

ELID will live forever. Yes, because you are up on Brook Forrest- you do not get a vote. Most of evergreen does not get a vote. The proposed boundary targets businesses.

DEED does have a project on the schedule for a sidewalk between buffalo park road (library) on down to downtown.

What the county came up with was this. Jeffco rough 50,000 foot estimate was construction would be at least 1.57 million dollars- probably much more. But Jeffco says that just the land acquisition costs alone for that project would be 6 million dollars, maybe more.
They would have to condemn private property to put in the sidewalk, and move cub creek.

Just that one project alone would eat up the entire ELID 15 year budget.

That's why it never got done and probably never will. We can't do projects like that with ELID- we need our Jefferson County money for stuff like that.


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What the county came up with was this. Jeffco rough 50,000 foot estimate was construction would be at least 1.57 million dollars- probably much more. But Jeffco says that just the land acquisition costs alone for that project would be 6 million dollars, maybe more.
They would have to condemn private property to put in the sidewalk, and move cub creek.


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Could it be a back door bid for a bike path?

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This is the current list of projects. #3 is the sidewalk from Library to downtown. The part about the land costing 6 million was verbally communicated to me. If you need confirmation of this, Contact Steve Durian at Jefferson County. He is the one who came up with the cost estimate for that project.

I will refrain from using information that was verbal from now on. But just take a look next time you drive that route. The creek runs right by the road and the room has to come from somewhere. This would take a big chunk out of many peoples front yard.

Here is a link to the project list...
http://www.elidevergreen.co.nf/PDFDOCS/ELID%20Project%20list%20042418.pdf


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Could it be a back door bid for a bike path?

What do you mean?

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Many of these projects include bicycle lanes. Of course there is no room at all for bicycles on 73, that has to be one of the worst roads for bikes.
I'm thinking that a big part of this ELID thing is about bicycles. Right now I'm just gonna say it's just speculation on my part. Maybe someone wants to build a "bicycle city". Do some research yourself on that.


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Just an update on what happened at the BOCC hearing on Tuesday.

The County Commissioners voted 2:1 NOT to allocate county resources on the ELID effort.

This means that ELID is stalled out for now, and it probably will not be on the ballot in November.

I have not seen anything in the media about this yet, so this is breaking news!

Thanks to all who signed the petition opposing ELID. It got 107 signatures from the community.


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Thank you for the update and all the info BearMtnHIB!

Glad that's done. For now at least...

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Good - so far. Now I want businesses to let be known when they try to sneak the "Voluntary" tax on you. I looked at the list of improvements and some were good but the majority for sidewalks and bike lanes that just don't need it - like from Evergreen to Bergen park! You wonder who would shovel all the snow from them in the winter...
Also, there was a lot of extra money that would have to be donated from Jeffco as well.


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