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 Post subject: Re: Your Vote Will No Longer Matter
Post Posted: Feb 21, 2019 7:19 pm 
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Well you know, that's the whole idea. Soon California, New York, Florida, and Texas will decide all the national elections. Candidates will not be inclined to visit or listen to the people living in the other forty six states.

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This is the biggest threat to the concept of "the United States" since the civil war. It is a plain and simple attempt to run-around the constitution. I can understand if someone wanted to just ban the electoral college but this is even worse - it makes the electoral college vote against what that state voted for?[b][/b] I cannot fathom how ANYONE can say that California determining the election results is better than the "battleground states" determining the election results!



I took a moment to write the Governor, asking him to veto this bill. The possibility of the bolded part of your post, is what I tried to emphasize!


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A bill, that would allow for the possibility, that the presidential electoral votes allotted this state by the U.S. Constitution, would be cast contrary to the will of the people of the state of Colorado, has passed the state legislature. It is now up to our Governor to decide if this is a path we wish to follow.
I'm urging you to consider what this means to the sovereignty of our state, and to the very fabric of these United States, and to please take a moment to write the Governors office to express your opinion.

I'm not trying to start a debate here in the living room, we can do that in the study. I'm just trying to get as many people as possible to consider the ramifications of this bill, and to make you opinion known to our Governor.

https://www.colorado.gov/governor/share-your-comments


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Scalawagy wrote:
I took a moment to write the Governor, asking him to veto this bill. The possibility of the bolded part of your post, is what I tried to emphasize!


I'm not demeaning your efforts as I frequently do the same with elected representatives. But Polis is all for this, so...good luck with that.

Funny thing is, once this is done, the first time it doesn't go the way progressives are hoping they'll be screaming bloody murder and blaming the system they created for their misfortune. Guaranteed.

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I predict that:
- This bill will pass
- There will be a voter initiative to restore what we have now.
- The initiative will pass.


Note - I did predict that Trump would declare a national emergency... :)


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Bailey Guns wrote:
Scalawagy wrote:
I took a moment to write the Governor, asking him to veto this bill. The possibility of the bolded part of your post, is what I tried to emphasize!


I'm not demeaning your efforts as I frequently do the same with elected representatives. But Polis is all for this, so...good luck with that.

Funny thing is, once this is done, the first time it doesn't go the way progressives are hoping they'll be screaming bloody murder and blaming the system they created for their misfortune. Guaranteed.


I know, I was questioning the effort as I made it, then again, when I asked others to do the same?
But some times, an attempt has to be made to slay the windmill!


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I predict that:
- This bill will pass
- There will be a voter initiative to restore what we have now.
- The initiative will pass.


Note - I did predict that Trump would declare a national emergency... :)


You can count on my signature and vote.


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daisypusher wrote:
I predict that:
- This bill will pass
- There will be a voter initiative to restore what we have now.
- The initiative will pass.

In Colorado, we are blessed with the foresight found in our State Constitution. We have a mechanism for overturning the acts of our General Assembly, the Referendum. It is similar to citizen initiatives, but it must be submitted to the CSoS within 90 days of the end of the current session of the legislature, which is early May.

5% of the voters in the last election for SecState in Colorado must sign petitions and submit them within 90 days of the last day of the session. I'm going to see if one of the PACs here in Colorado will help organize the petition process and see if we can get a jump start on obtaining the necessary signatures well before the current session ends.

I'm not certain, but I don't believe that the referendum process requires the same 2% of every county that an amendment requires. Last I looked, it will require ~125,000 valid signatures to move the referendum forward based on the 5% of the vote total for CSoS in the 2018 election.

Then it might be worthwhile seeing if another recall effort to stop further acts of madness is warranted in the closer districts for State House and Senate seats . . .

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Keep us informed please.

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Yes let us know how this is going, I would certainly sign the petition.


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In a related note, will Sen. Bennett now vote to eliminate the filibuster from the Senate? The filibuster has the same effect in the Senate that the Electoral College has in the Presidential election: it allows the minority of duly elected Senators to override the majority of Senators elected by the pluralities in their respective States.


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The big difference is a president of the minority position can veto any bill from the Senate if a filibuster is not available to his minorityparty. Or the bill opposed by the minority party in the Senate can be killed in the House. There are two possible ways to handle the non-filibuster in the Senate.

But no one can undo the contract being made between states to undermine the Electoral College. If a state sends all it's Electoral College votes for a President that the state majority did not vote for, the voters in that state have no recourse.


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