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 Post subject: Re: DEFENSIVE FIREARMS TRAINING - JUNE 20-22, 2017
Post Posted: Apr 11, 2014 6:12 pm 
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This class is soon to be upon us!
Please feel free to PM or email me with the links on this post if you have ANY questions!

You will learn a LOT and have fun while doing it!

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Post Posted: May 6, 2014 11:20 am 
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This link below is from the May 1, 2014, Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network membership newsletter.
Featured are comments by John Farnam who will be conducting "Farnam in Fairplay" featured at the top of this post.
This will give you a look into Mr. Farnam's credentials and his philosophy on defensive firearms training.

This is a very interesting read even if you are unable to participate in this class or others in the future.


http://armedcitizensnetwork.org/our-jou ... 4-ejournal

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The following is some of the BEST advice you will ever get if you are a CCW Permit holder and you lawfully carry concealed.

9 June 14

CCW Naivety:

The vast majority of state CCW licensees are genuinely "good" people, but
many have had precious little relevant training, and much of it fraught
with errors and unrealistic expectations.

For example, many naively believe:

1) When they see "bad things" happening in public places (which don't
involve them directly) that they should step forward and "get involved" and "
do some good."

2) VCAs will do what they are told to do, because they're intimidated by
the gun in the hands of the righteous CCW holder.

3) The CCW holder will be thanked and congratulated for his courageous
intervention and good intentions

4) VCAs will be so impressed with the CCW-holder's gunfire, that they will
fall down immediately upon the first impact, just like on TV!

5) That "going armed" means having "a little something" (like a .380
pocket pistol), and that such "mouse-guns" that will be sufficient for most
lethal threat(s).

6) Holding and maintaining suspects at gunpoint until police arrive is
easily done and mostly risk-free.

The unhappy reality is this:

1) Any time you voluntarily inject yourself into a dangerous circumstance
in which you were otherwise not involved, you are required, by law, to act
in a "non-negligent" manner.

What, under Heaven, does that mean?

It means that, when anyone can point-out where you could have done it
better, you will inherit some personal liability for all the "bad things" that
are invariably going to happen, bad things like death, personal injury,
property damage, etc.

In most cases, when you see "bad things happen," you don't have enough
solid information to take any kind of unilateral action, particularly action
that may be the direct cause of personal injury or death. Gunfire is
irreversible! You may not be seeing what you think you're seeing.

Best option is almost always to quickly withdraw, get to a relatively safe
location, and then call the police. This is the kind of situation you pay
a police department to confront and handle!

2) VCAs at whom you point your gun will likely not be impressed in the
least, because they probably won't even see it! Expecting voluntarily
compliance under such circumstances is mostly wishful thinking. When you do get
his attention, the best thing for you to do is encourage him to turn and run
away!

3) Don't expect to be thanked! Don't expect anyone to be "understanding."
Do expect to be arrested at the scene, maybe charged. Do expect to be
endlessly criticized and second-guessed by the media, investigators, your
friends, et al. Do expect to be sued. Don't imagine this incident will have
any kind of "happy ending!"

4) When you are compelled to employ gunfire to protect yourself, lower your
expectations of your pistol and your ammunition. Upon being struck by
your bullet(s), the most likely reaction of the VCA(s) will be to run away,
showing scant indication of reduced mobility! When he/they continue to
present a lethal threat, be prepared to hit him/them multiple times. Even then,
any kind of instant de-animation is extremely unlikely.

5) Small 380Auto pistols, and snubby revolvers are arguable as
second/back-up weapons, but they represent a desperate lower-limit when that is all
you have with you. When "going armed," you should be carrying the most
formidable pistol you can comfortably fit into your life.

6) Holding suspects a gunpoint and waiting for police to arrive is an
activity that is so dangerous, I recommend you not do it al all!

Suspects may attack you, despite the fact you're holding a pistol on them.
Arriving police may mistake you for the suspect, and, since you're
holding a gun, engage you immediately and without warning.

As mentioned above, when you have a dangerous suspect at gunpoint, the best
thing to do, from the standpoint of your continued good health, is to
persuade him to voluntarily disengage and run away. Police will probably pick
him up a short time later anyway, and you'll end your high risk-exposure as
quickly as possible.

As I tell my students,

"I'm not here to tell you what to do. I'm here to tell you what's going
to happen when you do. Then, you make your own, informed decisions. I'm
not here to suggest you do the 'right thing,' nor the 'moral thing,' even
the 'legal thing.' I'm suggesting you do the smart thing, from the
standpoint of your continued good physical health, financial health, mental
health, and general well-being. "

As more good citizens make the decision to "go armed," the foregoing is
going to become more and more critical.

"Here lies the body of Mike O'Day,
Who died maintaining his right-of-way
His right was clear
His way was strong
But, he's just as dead,
As if he'd been wrong!"

From an epitaph on a mock head-stone, erected, among others, as a warning
to young recruits during military training in the early 1940s.

/John


John S. Farnam


Mr. Farnam will be conducting "Farnam in Fairplay", 2017, featured in this thread.
I will be assisting in the course of instruction as will (pinecam) G-BONC and other highly qualified Affiliate Instructors.

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It is not too early to investigate and sign up for this Defensive Firearms 3-Gun Training class.
I you are interested, please PM me or contact me via the email link on pinecam.
You may also call me at 303-838-7411 but PLEASE leave a message if I am not able to answer the phone!

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JOHN FARNAM - Comments on Reduced Weight Trigger Pull
(Quoted from Armed Citizen's Legal Defense Network newsletter.)

At a 3-gun program here in Colorado earlier this week, a female student was with us, sporting an expensive, custom 5-inch 1911 from a well-known manufacturer, for whom I have a great deal of respect. However, the trigger, crisp and breaking-glass-like as it was, was far too light for a serious, carry pistol. It broke at 3 pounds, and I indicated to her that it was too light for a defensive pistol, in my opinion. She graciously accepted my comments, but she clearly loved her beautiful pistol!

She loved it a little less after a high-stress exercise in which she was required to transition from her rifle (which had just run out of ammunition), to her pistol, and engage a close threat. She smoothly made the transition, drew her pistol, and fired 3 rounds at the immediate threat.

The first 2 were carefully aimed and struck the target in the center, as planned and intended. The third shot was an AD (accidental discharge). The pistol was in full recoil from the second shot and it discharged while still angled upward. It startled her. The round struck the top of the berm, a good distance over the target. She recovered nicely and finished the drill. She transitioned back to her rifle, reloaded it, and then immediately used it to engage several more targets.

Afterward, I asked her about the AD. She was trying to catch the link after the second shot, and it just caught her by surprise. No harm done, but here is the point:

The industry standard for pull-weight on triggers of production pistols is currently 6 to 7 pounds. I think that is about right. I’m sure it’s too heavy in the minds of some, too light for others. While I think 12-pound triggers exhibited by the NY2 Glock Trigger Modification are needlessly heavy. I’m not comfortable with triggers any lighter than 6 pounds, owing to the foregoing.

I consider myself a reasonably competent operator, and I carry routinely. All my carry pistols comply with the foregoing industry standard. 3-pound, or lighter, triggers have no place in my life!

The term, “hair trigger,” has an inherently malignant and unsafe ring to it, particularly among the ignorant. It is predictable that a prosecutor or plaintiff’s attorney will use that term, ad nauseam, when doing his best to establish your “reckless disregard” for the safety of others, when he is able to show that your firearm has a significantly lighter trigger than it did when it emerged from the factory, a modification for which you arranged, not the manufacturer.

In addition, during a real fight, the fine motor coordination necessary to realize what scant speed/accuracy advantage of which a light trigger may be capable, will likely all be a moot point anyway!

My conclusion is that over-tuning of serious guns is folly, dangerous folly! When an out-of-the-box pistol has a trigger that is too heavy for your taste, the best strategy is to look at something else, rather than tinker with what the factory produced.

These comments on the subject were sent to me from a colleague:
“I put an aftermarket, 3.5 pound connector on my Glock, and really liked it. Then one day, shooting in cold weather, with gloves, I realized I could hardly feel the trigger. I have since come to my senses, put the original connector back in, and re-learned to use it properly.”

My friend and colleague, Pat Sweeney, puts it best, as he usually does!

“In writing ‘The 1911: the First Hundred Years’ I had a chance to handle some very early 1911s, pre WWI! They are startling, in that they all have (at least by some standards) ‘heavy’ triggers, 6 to 7 pounds, but crisp and clean. You press the trigger to take up the slack. The trigger stops. Keep pressing, and 6 to 7 pounds later, the hammer falls. You can put a lot of bad guys in the ground, with a trigger like that!”

You bet you can, and all with no ADs, even when in a cold, muddy ditch, at night, in the rain, with bullets whizzing by your ears. That’s what pistols are for!



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If you are worried about self defense issues in light of possible troubled times ahead, this class is for you!
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I hate agreeing with him ... but he's spot on. :doh:

This class changed my life ....

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This is on the DTI website ....

28-30 June 2016 Fairplay, CO, Three-Gun (Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun)

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How much for this years 3 day/3 gun training event? I don't see a cost on the web site?
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BGR has updated this entire thread, you'll find the cost at the beginning ....

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