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Some surface stations may have inaccuracies at remote locations, but sensors installed over the past 30-40 years at most airports used in climatology are very accurate. What is mot telling to me is temperature data in the upper atmosphere, from radiosonde balloons. I have seen over the past 30-35 years a distinct warming in the troposphere. A good guide of cold air in the winter months is the -25C isotherm at 850 mb (appx 5000 ft). There used to be a large area from the polar regions that would descent south into the Canada and the U.S. for much of the winter. The past 5-10 years this area has shrunk dramatically, replaced with much warmer air so that the -25C isotherm hangs out in central Canada most of the winter. At higher levels the air has also warmed, I just don't see the cold temps I used to see at 500 mb and above. Just my observations over the past 35 years of looking at weather data on a daily basis. I can't remember the last time it rained in mid November on Conifer Mountain at 9300 ft like it did much of the day yesterday. I believe occurrences like this will become more common as the earth and our oceans continue to warm.


It was unusual to see the rain last night in Nov.


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Unusual doesn't support runaway warming. Rain has fallen in the area every month of the year.

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Unusual doesn't support runaway warming. Rain has fallen in the area every month of the year.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=average%2 ... 222C8713F9


:) It was also unusual when we got 6 inches of snow the first day of summer many years back....


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DP, the graph you cited showing rainfall for Aspen park measures liquid equivalent precipitation during winter months, this is the standard. It does not mean actual rainfall has fallen in every month. If you look closer, the graph provides the number of days of rain and snow. In the case for Aspen Park in November, 12 days with rain and 12 days with snow, meaning all the precip came from snow. Last week was the first time in 12 years I have observed rain in mid November at 9300 ft on Conifer Mountain.

As for June, 3 of the past 12 years have seen snowfall in June on Conifer Mountain, so this is a 25% occurrence, which is not rare. Only once has seen snowfall greater than 2 inches in June.

As our planet continues to warm, we will see more and more occurrences of rainfall later in the season, and we will generally see a later start to ski seasons and an earlier end.

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As our planet continues to warm, we will see more and more occurrences of rainfall later in the season, and we will generally see a later start to ski seasons and an earlier end.


And when the planet goes into a cooling phase, as it has done many times in the past, the opposite will occur. So what's your point?


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DP, the graph you cited showing rainfall for Aspen park measures liquid equivalent precipitation during winter months, this is the standard. It does not mean actual rainfall has fallen in every month. If you look closer, the graph provides the number of days of rain and snow. In the case for Aspen Park in November, 12 days with rain and 12 days with snow, meaning all the precip came from snow. Last week was the first time in 12 years I have observed rain in mid November at 9300 ft on Conifer Mountain.

As for June, 3 of the past 12 years have seen snowfall in June on Conifer Mountain, so this is a 25% occurrence, which is not rare. Only once has seen snowfall greater than 2 inches in June.

As our planet continues to warm, we will see more and more occurrences of rainfall later in the season, and we will generally see a later start to ski seasons and an earlier end.


Yeah, that 6 inches on the first day of summer (~June 21) was before your records.


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Al, none of us on this post will be around when the earth goes into the next glacial period, that will not likely occur for another 5000 or more years, so my point is while we are still alive and for the next many generations, the inhabitants of earth will all need to deal with the impacts of a warmer planet. We can do nothing or we can become more prepared. At some point in the future Mother Nature will dictate how we respond.

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Dealing with the impacts of climate and weather is fine and necessary. Pretending that man causes climate change is folly and when it is done for political reasons it is dishonest and destructive.


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Al, none of us on this post will be around when the earth goes into the next glacial period, that will not likely occur for another 5000 or more years, so my point is while we are still alive and for the next many generations, the inhabitants of earth will all need to deal with the impacts of a warmer planet. We can do nothing or we can become more prepared. At some point in the future Mother Nature will dictate how we respond.


Being prepared and adapting to change is logical and pragmatic, pushing insane agendas like the Paris Agreement is criminal. How anyone would support an unenforceable global program which allows the worlds #1 and #3 polluters (China, India) to continue polluting unabated for 13 years, while taking billion$ from the U.S. and holding the U.S. to different emission standards, is beyond me.

We face countless real, measurable, solvable environmental challenges driven by the common denominator of increasing human population. Yet, the media and the U.N. continues its climate change propaganda ad nauseam. When looking at the massive profits being created by the ETS, increased industrial profits generated by passing costs onto consumers, increased revenue for UNEP, and more control over the general populace in the name of 'saving the planet', it is pretty clear to see why it never ends.

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Whether you believe it or not, humans do indeed have the ability to alter the climate of our planet, by replicating the environment which has led to planetary warming in the past. Climate will play a very important role in how humans adapt and survive in the future, as global temperature and precipitation patterns alter the amount of food that can be produced to feed a growing population. Thus, politics will play a role in how we manage this change over hundreds and thousands of years, if we humans even survive that long. Given our past, we are more inclined to find better ways to kill each other than work together and prosper.

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DP, the graph you cited showing rainfall for Aspen park measures liquid equivalent precipitation during winter months, this is the standard. It does not mean actual rainfall has fallen in every month. If you look closer, the graph provides the number of days of rain and snow. In the case for Aspen Park in November, 12 days with rain and 12 days with snow, meaning all the precip came from snow. Last week was the first time in 12 years I have observed rain in mid November at 9300 ft on Conifer Mountain.

As for June, 3 of the past 12 years have seen snowfall in June on Conifer Mountain, so this is a 25% occurrence, which is not rare. Only once has seen snowfall greater than 2 inches in June.

As our planet continues to warm, we will see more and more occurrences of rainfall later in the season, and we will generally see a later start to ski seasons and an earlier end.


Why are there two graphs, one showing snow and the other rain?

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