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 Post subject: Re: climate propaganda
Post Posted: Oct 11, 2018 9:41 pm 
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I haven't formulated my opinion of you over just one post, keg. You're a progressive. At least own it. Progressives vote democrat (or some other left wing party). I don't care if you're a registered democrat or not. You're just playing games by saying you don't belong to a party.

You believe man is far more responsible for climate change than I do. I'm not willing to bankrupt the country, or myself, over a hoax.

Where was your outrage when the WaPo ran a headline saying Trump was complicit in the hurricane that hit the east coast a few weeks ago? Or do you actually believe Trump, or any other single person, is complicit in the formation of a hurricane? Because I certainly don't.

Furthermore, I explained to you, and even quoted the NYT as a source, why Trump "supported" the NCA4. He was busy trying to get tax reform passed (you're welcome, BTW). Even the NYT gave him a sideways compliment for not interfering with the publishing of the report. He could've just ordered that it either be changed to reflect his position or just ordered that it not be published. But he didn't. He allowed the report to be published as written even though it was contrary to what he believed. That was all explained for you and others who choose to be open-minded enough to accept it.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't recall you ever being critical of democrats, especially Obama, in this forum at all. To be fair, I don't recall all of your posts. I guess I'll have to take your word on that.

And a radical leftist like you, referring to me as "radical right fringe", is laughable. But, hey...I'll admit I'm very conservative. Fringe? No. Radical? No. Outspoken and passionate about my beliefs? After almost 60 years of listening to leftists like you you're damn right I'm outspoken. As a matter of fact, I'm convinced that's why so many on the left don't like Trump. Because he fights back against progressives and doesn't apologize for it. Progressives aren't accustomed to having people stand up to their bullying. Well those days are gone.

In reality I'm probably no further right than you are left. Your complaints about name-calling and labeling ring as hollow as your other arguments. It's that whole pot/kettle thing.

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Post Posted: Oct 12, 2018 10:39 am 
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't recall you ever being critical of democrats, especially Obama, in this forum at all. To be fair, I don't recall all of your posts. I guess I'll have to take your word on that.

The reason you haven't seen me be critical of democrats is because I normally avoid this forum like the plague, due to the "debating" tactics by people like you. And I'm going back to that, starting now.

You persist in calling me a "leftist" … I'm much more moderate than that, but compared to you, by golly, I guess you do have to look pretty far left to find me. In matter of fact, I am a financial conservative (I am betting more conservative than you are) and a social and moral liberal. I tend to side against the prevailing lunatics of the times ... and thus in the 70s and early 80s I voted predominantly Republican, until the so-called "moral majority" got powerful enough to scare me to death. Since then, I have voted predominantly (but not solely) Democrat. But I know you "know" me far too well to believe all that.

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As a matter of fact, I'm convinced that's why so many on the left don't like Trump. Because he fights back against progressives and doesn't apologize for it.

No, it's because he's a lying sack of excrement, and just about the least diplomatic politician I have seen. It takes a special kind of person to get a whole UN body of diplomats to laugh in unison at you.
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Progressives aren't accustomed to having people stand up to their bullying. Well those days are gone.

Once again ... PKB. Nobody in recent memory has come close to the level of bullying of this 13-year-old president.

I'll let you have the last word now, because I cannot stand to spend any more time at this point in this forum. You just depress me way too much.

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Post Posted: Oct 12, 2018 3:21 pm 
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Well, stop telling everyone how awful it is here and just leave. You don't do anything besides call people names while complaining about the name calling. If you're gonna leave, then leave. Pretty sure no one here will need therapy or anything if you stop posting in the Study.

You won't be the first progressive who's too butt-hurt to hang around.

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Post Posted: Oct 14, 2018 7:10 am 
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Well, stop telling everyone how awful it is here and just leave. You don't do anything besides call people names while complaining about the name calling. If you're gonna leave, then leave. Pretty sure no one here will need therapy or anything if you stop posting in the Study.

You won't be the first progressive who's too butt-hurt to hang around.

Heh. I don't call people names ... I call you names. That is because you have no clue about how to hold an argument without trying to pigeon-hole your opponent into a convenient classification that makes it easier for you to try to ridicule. And in this case, you seem to have no argument. You believe there is no human-caused component to climate change because ... that's what you believe. I choose to believe the massive amount of evidence, empirical as well as theoretical, that suggests there IS a human-caused component. And I choose to believe because it just beggars belief that humans can pour the massive amounts of waste that they do into a 10-mile deep troposphere with no consequences. And I choose to believe because humans are showing no evidence at all that population cannot continue to grow monotonically and exponentially in a closed system, so whatever the circumstances are today they will be exaggerated ten-fold in a century or two.

The complexities of climate analysis makes it very hard to make accurate predictions what things will look like in 10, 20, 50 years or more ... and that allows DP to continue to post ridicule when specific attempts at prediction do not hit the nail. But I will continue to base my belief on the scientific method that is behind such attempts at predictions. And I know you will continue to base your belief on your desire to maintain your status quo ease of living as it exists today, without reference to what that might cause in the future. It almost makes me want to believe in the concept of afterlife; it would be nice to re-convene everybody in 100 years, or 200, and take stock of the status of human society at that time. I would gladly eat crow if the climate at that time is still temparate. I have little faith that I would have to, though.

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Post Posted: Oct 14, 2018 7:25 am 
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Newsflash, keg. I don't have to follow "keg's rules for arguing in an online forum". I don't post anything here to please you or to make you feel better. I post here for my own entertainment.

I enjoy pointing out your condescending attitude, your hypocrisy (accusing others of doing EXACTLY what you do) and your progressive BS. The fact you don't like me, or what I post, doesn't bother me in the slightest. The fact that my posts don't fit into your rules for online argument doesn't bother me, either.

You do get BONUS POINTS for not posting more melodramatic "I'm leaving the study because I feel filthy" crap. Every progressive seems to have a habit of doing that before they come back to post more.

However, you lose points for saying I had the last word and then coming back to post again after whining about how dirty you feel when posting in the study.

Make up your mind.

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Post Posted: Oct 14, 2018 9:40 am 
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Rather than whine about Trump, perhaps the climate change advocates should ask him to focus on pollution in China and India.

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“This legislation will release funds to states for cleanup and for response efforts, and we will be responding and very strongly. The legislation also encourages the executive branch to engage with those nations responsible for dumping garbage into our oceans. My administration is doing exactly that,” Trump said.

“For example, the new United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement is the first U.S. trade agreement ever to include commitments by the parties to cooperate to address land- and sea-based pollution and improve waste management,” Trump said, adding that it will be put into other agreements as well.


https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/trump-signs-bill-clean-oceans-trash-floating-foreign-countries

That may require climate change advocates to focus on actual pollution instead of wealth transfer schemes.


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