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Sadly, as I predicted, the democrats are gearing up to ensure that your vote as a Colorado citizen will be irrelevant in national elections because the State will vote based on National popular vote. That means, whoever people on the coasts vote for is who YOU vote for. As this continues, all national policies will be dictated by states with larger populations, and smaller states will no longer be relevant.
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Unfortunately, DL, it's not unbelievable. It's typical progressive stupidity.

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[quote="Taranis"]Sadly, as I predicted, the democrats are gearing up to ensure that your vote as a Colorado citizen will be irrelevant in national elections because the State will vote based on National popular vote. That means, whoever people on the coasts vote for is who YOU vote for. As this continues, all national policies will be dictated by states with larger populations, and smaller states will no longer be relevant.
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https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/colorado-democrats-push-changes-to-presidential-electors[/quote

If we really want to defeat this measure/idea, we need to understand some simple truths. The bolded statement in Taranis' post above is entirely inaccurate! First off, there isn't yet, and never has been a national election in this country. Also to state that this would make any single citizen's vote irrelevant is also incorrect. Unless you believe that all the votes that were cast for Donald Trump, here in Colorado, in the last election were irrelevant?

We hold 51 different elections in these United States. Here in Colorado, in our last election, the largest number of votes went to Hillary Clinton, and by state law, so did all of the states electoral votes. A democratic process that I think works well in our Republic, and after our election we speak as State with one voice.

If we allow our electoral votes to be allotted biased on the results of the count in a nonexistent national vote, we will be faced with the very real possibility of, voting as a state for one candidate, and forcing our electors to cast their lot with another. A very undemocratic process!
We will be giving away another of our rights as a sovereign state. Another step, toward an all powerful central government.
How much further down that road is it, before that central government is selecting our Governor, our Mayors and our councilmen?

It's not the individual citizen they will be disenfranchising, It's the state as a whole!


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I think his statement is entirely accurate even though what you say is true as well. If the state is disenfranchised, so is the individual.

This is strictly a numbers game and progressives know it's unlikely to adversely affect them once initiated. This is an easy way for progressives to basically invalidate people in flyover country that don't normally agree with their misguided policies...like socialism.

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Scalawagy wrote:
Taranis wrote:
Sadly, as I predicted, the democrats are gearing up to ensure that your vote as a Colorado citizen will be irrelevant in national elections because the State will vote based on National popular vote. That means, whoever people on the coasts vote for is who YOU vote for. As this continues, all national policies will be dictated by states with larger populations, and smaller states will no longer be relevant.
God Help Us.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/colorado-democrats-push-changes-to-presidential-electors[/quote

If we really want to defeat this measure/idea, we need to understand some simple truths. The bolded statement in Taranis' post above is entirely inaccurate! First off, there isn't yet, and never has been a national election in this country. Also to state that this would make any single citizen's vote irrelevant is also incorrect. Unless you believe that all the votes that were cast for Donald Trump, here in Colorado, in the last election were irrelevant?

We hold 51 different elections in these United States. Here in Colorado, in our last election, the largest number of votes went to Hillary Clinton, and by state law, so did all of the states electoral votes. A democratic process that I think works well in our Republic, and after our election we speak as State with one voice.

If we allow our electoral votes to be allotted biased on the results of the count in a nonexistent national vote, we will be faced with the very real possibility of, voting as a state for one candidate, and forcing our electors to cast their lot with another. A very undemocratic process!
We will be giving away another of our rights as a sovereign state. Another step, toward an all powerful central government.
How much further down that road is it, before that central government is selecting our Governor, our Mayors and our councilmen?

It's not the individual citizen they will be disenfranchising, It's the state as a whole!


You're mostly correct, but I think you misunderstood my point. By 'national' I simply meant Presidential election and total individual votes. The electoral votes would be awarded to the candidate with the most individual votes from all of the other states. So, it doesn't matter if candidate A gets 100% of the votes in Colorado, if the total national individual vote goes to candidate B, that's how the State of Colorado would vote. So, in effect, our individual vote and influence on policy, could be irrelevant.
And as posted several months ago, and BG alluded to, this would render states with smaller populations irrelevant in national policy, or as you said, 'the State as a whole'.
This is a HUGE issue, is a threat to the Union, and potentially eliminates any type of balance between states that the Founders wanted to secure.


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What's even more unfortunate is there are some prominent "conservatives" buying into this stupidity.

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I agree with you both, And my point is the damage done to the State and what damage that does to the Union, should be the major argument. Not the invalidation of the individual vote, that argument is too easily dismissed.


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I got an email from Bennet asking for support for no border wall.

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I got an email from Bennet asking for support for no border wall.
What has that got to do with this topic?


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This is the biggest threat to the concept of "the United States" since the civil war. It is a plain and simple attempt to run-around the constitution. I can understand if someone wanted to just ban the electoral college but this is even worse - it makes the electoral college vote against what that state voted for? I cannot fathom how ANYONE can say that California determining the election results is better than the "battleground states" determining the election results!


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