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Post Posted: Feb 13, 2020 9:41 am 
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I've lived up here for over 26 years now and use 285 as my major highway to get to work. I have driven 2-wd for a time but now own an AWD for my travels. Over that time I've seen my share of vehicles stuck in the median, slammed into the rocks, on their sides or flipped and the high majority are NOT cars but 4WDs - late model ones of all makes. Why is that? Adverts of these vehicles show them speeding through 1-2 feet of snow, steady as a rock with the announcer saying how the computer-controlled traction system will "get you anywhere you want to go"..... It makes them look invincible.........and they are NOT! They may have 30 computers built in and they STILL need a human driver who can think, decide and act upon what they are encountering on a roadway. If these drivers believe the ads and think that all they have to do is "point the vehicle, step on the gas and steer" they are dangerously wrong, putting not only themselves but others at risk as well. And this does not even take into consideration those who speed no matter what the road conditions are and think that 285 is I-70!


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My Goldens and I were headed back home on 285 yesterday afternoon from the Vet and it had been snowing for about an hour. Turkey Creek Canyon was icy and snow packed. I drive a 4WD and always drive for conditions; ergo, we were going slower than than the 45 mph speed limit. A few folks in front of me were being careful but still managed to fish tail a couple times. Yet, numerous other SUV's and jeeps passed me by like I was standing still (most likely going a whole lot fast than the 45 mph as well). I really urks me when folks think just becuase they have a 4WD they can drive like Hwy 285 is the Autobahn!

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I retired the AWD Subaru with Blizzaks last year along with my summer car and bought one car for all year. A 2002 FWD Mini with Blizzaks in winter. I was nervous how it would actually do in the snow and it is awesome. IMO, it is all about the tires and driving technique. Great, not good, but Great snow tires and easy on the peddles makes for a drama free drive for me.

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I was coming up the canyon late Friday afternoon. Traffic hit a standstill. All because a car spinning its wheels in the snow (not a 4WD and likely no snow tires). Two guys outside the car pushing their buddy up 285!!! Crazy. After passing them, traffic quickly slowed to 15 mph. All this in the left lane driving up the tire ruts. So I pulled into the right lane and drove in the snow past the entire line of traffic. Nearly a half mile long! It was just an AWD Subaru putt-putting up 285 in left lane. Yes. I was THAT car! Passing folks like they were standing still. But that's all about perspective.

Some folks think they're driving fine "for the conditions". Other folks don't think so. Sometimes you're actually impeding traffic. You may THINK those SUVs and Jeeps are driving carelessly, but I can say from experience its not so. I'm in complete control...even if I have to stop. You're just driving too slow. That's how I see it. So, don't take it personally when I fly by.


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Even if that Subaru was driving fine "for the conditions" it should have been in the RIGHT lane. Some just never learn. Even more amazing was the half-mile line long of sheep behind it!


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Even if that Subaru was driving fine "for the conditions" it should have been in the RIGHT lane. Some just never learn. Even more amazing was the half-mile line long of sheep behind it!


I was STUNNED at the line! Needless to say, a number of other SUVs jumped in behind me as I broke trail.


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No 4x4 /AWD vehicle is almighty in deep crud and snowpacked roads.
Driver technique is crucial in any vehicles.I see alot of AWD vehicles over the last few days in ditches, High centered half =-half off the road, off into the trees. Even a rollover on i70 west of the Minturn exit, on what was a very wet roadway.
People think that being in an SUV / 4x4 makes them invincible but there is a threshold that gets crossed and then one is off the road or sliding into others. Even the best new snow tires will not supply high speed traction in certain winter conditions. And for Ice well the best tires for that have Studs but even those will slide at hi speeds.

Ya gotta slow down to maintain control. Sadly some dont think that way.


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These threads always make me laugh. OMG its the terrible 4x4’s tearing up the road. Those 2wd jokers don’t belong on the roads in the snow. The Subaru/awd crowd are just terrible. Reality is there are just too many people who don’t know, don’t understand or just don’t care about the rules of the road let alone if there is snow on the road. Biggest issues I see are as follows. Left lane is for passing ONLY! “Keep right except to pass” seems self explanatory. Speeders can just go right by on left as intended. Use the merge lanes as they are designed. Kings valley in dangerous enough without some joker cutting across the acceleration and passing lane just to get into the thru lane all while going 25/30 and trying to speed up. Only thing sillier is the guy stopped in the acceleration lane waiting for someone else to stop and let them in.

If we look at the cars littered up and down the mountain during snow honestly we see all kinds. Trucks, jeeps, awd, 2wd, busses and semis who have not chained up yet b/c the geniuses at cdot put the chains required sign on the incline between c470 and hwy 8 with NO chain station anywhere. Its way less about the vehicle than the driver. I drive 285 everyday and have for 30+ years. More people equals more issues period. At the end of the day it’s about the driver. Personally I find the slow, white knuckled people way more of an issue than a faster driver. Terrified/driving for conditions driver usually in left/middle of road doing 25/30 with string of traffic behind you. Newsflash, get over, stop impeding traffic and let those of us comfortable with conditions pass. Some of those in fwd cars need to keep momentum up windy point or they get stuck.

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These threads always make me laugh. OMG its the terrible 4x4’s tearing up the road. Those 2wd jokers don’t belong on the roads in the snow. The Subaru/awd crowd are just terrible. Reality is there are just too many people who don’t know, don’t understand or just don’t care about the rules of the road let alone if there is snow on the road. Biggest issues I see are as follows. Left lane is for passing ONLY! “Keep right except to pass” seems self explanatory. Speeders can just go right by on left as intended. Use the merge lanes as they are designed. Kings valley in dangerous enough without some joker cutting across the acceleration and passing lane just to get into the thru lane all while going 25/30 and trying to speed up. Only thing sillier is the guy stopped in the acceleration lane waiting for someone else to stop and let them in.

you forgot to mention, the person in the right lane, next to the sign that reads lane ends 1/2 mile, at a dead stop with their left turn signal on waiting for traffic in the left lane to stop and let them in!


If we look at the cars littered up and down the mountain during snow honestly we see all kinds. Trucks, jeeps, awd, 2wd, busses and semis who have not chained up yet b/c the geniuses at cdot put the chains required sign on the incline between c470 and hwy 8 with NO chain station anywhere. Its way less about the vehicle than the driver. I drive 285 everyday and have for 30+ years. More people equals more issues period. At the end of the day it’s about the driver. Personally I find the slow, white knuckled people way more of an issue than a faster driver. Terrified/driving for conditions driver usually in left/middle of road doing 25/30 with string of traffic behind you. Newsflash, get over, stop impeding traffic and let those of us comfortable with conditions pass. Some of those in fwd cars need to keep momentum up windy point or they get stuck.

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